How to Talk to and Treat Someone With Chiari
I saw a post in another forum of how to talk to and approach someone with Chiari Malformation and Syringomyelia and thought that I would add my own take on it. Having been diagnosed for some while now and trying to get my life back to normal, I know friends and family have a tough time knowing what to do and what to say sometimes. They do get it wrong at times, they do judge and they do make silly comments, but in general they do not understand. I don't really expect them to fully understand - but do appreciate very much the fact that they are trying.
This post isn't me being self indulgent, although I am going through a difficult patch right now......... perhaps doing this will help me to understand others too on the other side of the coin?
It is a little lengthy, but I PROMISE you that this post has worked out perfectly.
I don't look ill...... although I might have a pained expression in my face which may appear to be outwardly grumpy. Take it that I am in pain and I am trying to hide it from you the best I can.
If I am quiet or in a non-talkative mood, don't assume that I am in a bad mood, I am merely trying to come to terms with what I can no longer achieve, or can no longer do all that I want to do, and that it is very frustrating.
On the other hand, I might be exhausted from dealing with the pain and discomfort, or trying my hardest not to fall over with the balance issues that I have.
Do try not to pity me, I can do that very well for myself at times and I do try my hardest not to sink deeper in to it.
Don't compare me to other people with "similar" pain issues, everyone has their own problems, some worse than mine, some not so. Some people have managed to come to terms with it, I might not have yet. Pain is different in all people. Not even two Chiarians have the same symptoms, although we do share a common bond.
I know it could be a lot worse, and I am grateful that it isn't, I really am, but it doesn't make me feel less pain or feel better. In fact sometimes it makes me feel down that there are people that are worse off than me.
Just because I am in pain, doesn't mean that I can do much about it. Paracetamol is not a cure all. Some medications don't work, some have horrible side effects and give me other problems that add to the stress and feeling of unwell.
Don't tell me what I can and cannot do, don't label me as disabled. I want to try and do the things that I used to so, if I can't, then at least I have tried and have ticked off another box. Don't blame me for trying again and again........ I will get the message eventually.
Don't assume that I am angry or upset with you......sometimes we make mistakes and lash out at others. It is merely frustration with myself. I don't mean it, I might have missed the fact that I have upset you. Don't ignore it, tell me so.....but do it nicely please, lets not start an argument.
Don't think that just because I can do something today, that I can do it again straight away, or can do it tomorrow or the day after. My symptoms can change daily, my energy levels and patience can be sapped by the simplest of tasks one day, and appear easy to do the next.
Try and treat me as a "normal" human being, I will respect that and will be very grateful. Try and encourage me to do "normal" as much as possible.
Don't make exceptions for me, I can do that for myself.
Don't be upset if I cancel long standing plans at the last minute - I want to be there, and I am trying to be there but sometimes I can't and don't have the energy or capability on the day. I cannot plan ahead with certainty but I will plan.
Learn about my condition and you will be better armed to either help me when you can, or be aware that sometimes I do need help and haven't asked for it, or that I really don't mean to be rude or ungrateful. I am very grateful, I need friends now more than ever. You will know why I react in the seemingly wrong way sometimes........it will help you stop feeling like you have upset me - You haven't.
Don't be afraid to ask me how I am......I won't always give you bad news, so don't ask expecting it ;) Sometimes I might - so don't ask if you don't want to listen ;)
Help me to see my behaviour through your own eyes - but take a step back first and try and see it through my own.
Don't think that I am just in pain and that's the end of it - there's a reason that the pain is there - it's my bodies way of telling me there's an issue somewhere. That pain leads to other symptoms, and the cause of the pain can also cause other symptoms. Most of which I have no control over.
Don't be afraid of offering me a hug or giving me a little encouragement - we all need that sometimes. If I reciprocate or give you a smile back it means that I appreciate it, If I reply with a grumpy face - I still do appreciate it - very much, there's just something else going on inside my head.
Don't be sad that you cannot take my pain away, don't feel helpless because you cannot help me, what's the point in us both feeling frustrated and useless? Most of the time, I can't do anything about the pain myself.
If I tell you that I cannot do something - I really mean it. If I tell you that I am in pain - don't ask me to empty the dishwasher half an hour later and get upset if I can't. I will try my best you know.
If you ask me to do something in the morning - and it's not done by the time you get home - it isn't because I forgot (well not always) nor is it because I am lazy (although I still can be) it is because I used up all of my energy doing other things. Sometimes all I can manage to do is to sit down and sleep - it doesn't mean that I expect you to do everything for me - it just means that I cannot do as much as you sometimes expect me to and as much as I used to do. I will get around to it - tomorrow I might feel able.
My time table will not always match yours - I can't help it. That's just the way it is.
My life has changed drastically - and not for the better. Please don't expect yours not to change if you are involved in mine.
Know that I still love you, I might shout, I might grumble, I might complain, I might get easily frustrated. I am very grateful of the help and support - just don't make me beg for it.
I have a lot to come to terms with, I have a lot to face up to, it takes time to do so and even longer to accept.
Frustration can bring out the worst in us all - there are two sides to every coin.
If you are behind me in the checkout queue or at the bar - don't talk amongst yourselves about the scar down the back of my head / neck and take guesses as to how it might have happened. My ears work perfectly well - I can hear you. If you are so concerned then ask me. I'm fine with it - I can't hide it, nor would I want to.
I am not always miserable - but by giving me something else to grizzle about isn't necessarily a good thing - there's enough right here to be going on with for now.
No, it honestly isn't aimed at anyone in particular, just thoughts running through my mind when I think of my interaction with others over the last few months. perhaps I will add to it over the next few......
I have edited this to include a reply that I got back almost instantaneously from a very good friend of mine. She has probably been the brunt of some of my more moodier moments, but has also been the provider of much needed support at very difficult times for which I am very grateful for. She has a skill of being able to tell me, quite bluntly when I am being an idiot and when I am being selfish.
Thank you very much for grounding me.
Hi there, well I read and re-read your post, it was very emotional and difficult to read, I hope it helped you to release some tension and issues and made you feel that it is better organised in your head. I would like to give my take on a few of the things you said and I hope you take them as intended, that is to help you see chiari and its devastating effects not only on the sufferer but on those who love and care for them too.
First of all we all feel ‘why did this have to happen to you’ so we agree on the fact that it is simply not fair that a perfectly healthy strong fit man is struck down in what is generally considered the prime of his life, however this is a fact that has to be come to terms with and look to the future to how it can be managed, dealt with and the rest of life tackled in the best way possible so everyone involved can have the best quality of life possible.
Please don’t assume that cause we are not going through the physical pain with you that we are not feeling the mental stress and strains of this illness with you, we will never fully understand the full implications of this illness on the human body but please credit us with some level of understanding and give us some points for at least trying to understand!
Try not to confuse sympathy and understanding for pity, its very difficult to judge the mood and therefore the response to our words of support, as you feel different day by day depending on the severity of your symptoms what one day is taken as words of encouragement are the next day taken as patronising. We struggle just the same as you do with mood changes and the frustration of it all. Help us to understand you better by giving us some clues, if you are in pain say so, if you are just having a grumpy day say so, if you want to cry and let it all out then cry, if you are exhausted and need a rest say so and we can help, and most importantly of all if you want or need a hug just ask, its probably one of the only things we are qualified to give and some of us are particularly good at them!
If you are struggling with day to day jobs speak out, if we know your limits we wont ask or expect too much of you, but on the other hand if you are having a good day and can manage more than usual feel free to jump in and offer to do more, don’t then feel that we will take it for granted that you can do this and more each day, lets just take it on a day by day basis and work together to get the balance right and each do our bit to make life run that little bit smoother!
Don’t you be afraid to ask us how we are, we have good days and bad too, ok not on the scale of pain or discomfort that you do but all the same we get aches and pains that make us feel low too, as the age old saying goes ‘no one ever asks after the carer’
Our lives have changed too, not in the same way, but try and see it from our point of view, we have stood by and watched a very special person, change and fade infront of our eyes and been mostly useless to do anything to help or assist or change things, it is devastating to stand by while a strong rock of a man who was once the life and soul of any party or gathering, who we looked to for laughter and jokes and cheering words, slowly turn into a dark brooding shell of his former self, we want the old you back just as much as you do, we miss the bright cheery guy who light up any room with his cheeky smile.
Help us to help you help yourself, lets work together rather than fight each other, as a united front we are solid, we cant cure you that’s for the doctors to work on, but we are the ones who are here for you every day, we care for you, we grieve for the person we have lost and we hope and pray for you to stop being in pain and come out of this as happy and together as possible!
Now a lot of this is probably a bit of a shock, and it is just my point of view on what I have seen and heard over the last months, I might be out of order and most of it is not really my place to say but I really only want you to know one thing, we are here because we care about you, your pain is our pain your bad day is our bad day, we try our hardest to understand how you feel and yes we do get it wrong sometimes, so we are sorry for that but please cut us some slack and acknowledge that we are only human and trying to find a way through the crappines that is chari.
Big hug (redeemable any time)
A friend
An absolutely perfect reply in every way, and one which will give me lots of food for thought. You are right, posting this has helped me very much indeed - I just needed to hear the answers I guess ;) you are a star.
The following is NOT addressed to anyone in particular at all..........
I have to admit, I didn't write my post bearing any thought for those around me. I did do this purposely to try and get an idea of what it is like from the other side.....one of my published reasons for writing this post if you notice was just that.
I think any Chiarian or someone who knows someone with Chiari / Syringomyelia or any other similar condition can learn a lot from this. I have! I promise you that it has not been set up in any way......... this is how it is in a nutshell.



love it. both sides so true!!
Iv'e been diagnosed for about 18 years now and it has gotten harder for myself and also for those around me to understand. I'm going to show this blog to my family and close friends because it could have been written by me (although I'm a woman!).
It was straight from the heart and you spoke for everybody with ACM and Syringomyelia.
I wish you all the best for the future
Tina
XX
Thank you Tina for going to so much trouble to make such wonderful comments and for contacting me on Facebook. I am glad you find this post fits so well, I am quite proud of the way that it has been received and that it has helped so many people. You are right, it is from the heart, and worked very well indeed and was probably my most cathartic moment since starting this blog.
The best things do come from the heart, and I am so glad that other close friends joined in in the same manner............ I hope it continues to help for many years to come.
Head over to www.chiari.co.uk and join us on the forum, I am sure we will make you feel welcome, and theres loads of people there with the same goal......make friends, learn more and support each other............ apart from having a good giggle and making fun of each other ;) Would love to speak again.
Thank you and have an amazing bank holiday weekend ;)
Chris
Perfectly written, all SM/CM patients should print this off and stick it up in their house, where family and friends can read it!lol Well done and keep up the good work!!!
Caz x
Thank you very much indeed, I am so glad that you enjoyed it. It actually worked out really well in the end, and I think you are right....it should make compulsory reading ;)~
Wow! Just Wow! Brilliantly written.
Praise from my mentor is high praise indeed ;) Glad you enjoyed it.
This has come at such a time in my life that I have never felt more alone. While I have many people that ask how I am or how I am coping, I have never felt so lonely. I know that sounds pretty self pitying and its really not meant to be but sometimes people find it hard to deal with illness.
12 years ago my husband had cancer. We very quickly found out who our friends were and to be honest it was maybe several people. Its a very sad truth that some people just don't 'do' illness. I do NOT understand it at all and it makes me so mad and now it is happening all over again except this time its my 'friends'.
I have good days and i have bad days yet I am still expected to be like I was. I can't be..
I have stopped talking about my illness as there is no point, It falls on deaf ears. I thought I had a really good friend and it seems I actually don't.
People don't see everything, only my husband does. Only he sees me crying with the pain at 3am, or the days where i can't go out because I am so unstable on my legs. Because they only see me on my good days they don't understand what is happening but then if they show no interest in listening to what is happening to me they will NEVER understand.
I HATE my Chiari but I hate the fact that my friends dont understand even more..
i am really sorry that you feel so lonley, one of my worst fears in the world is being alone so i really feel for you, as for your 'friends' who have let you down i can only feel dissapiontment and assume that they were not true friends in the first place, that is of little help to you in your hour of need, but just by reading this post and many others before, it is very apparent that there is a very strong family bond type feeling between the chiari sufferers and thier carers/family, so please dont ever feel alone, there is always some one to talk to or listen to you, even if it is out here in the world of cyber space :-)
as for the friend issue, i am one of these said friends who struggle to understand chiari, chris is my best friends husband and over the last few years he and myself have become friends in our own right, and i care for them both greatly, but the strain chiari has put on both of them and thier family is massive, i see it on a daily basis and spend time with them both and am an ear for them to offload their stresses and worries. Dont get me wrong i am more than happy to try and help in any way i can but sometimes it is so difficult i find myself really struggling to see the right advice/ help to offer, i see chris's daily struggle with sipmle taks, and how down he gets about his change of life, and how much it affects him that he is no longer able to go out to work and it upsets me, then on the other hand i see his wife running herself ragged going out to work, keeping the house running, keeping every one clean and tidy, looking after appointements and trying to keep a little time back for herself, all while worrying herself into an early grave over the health of her husband (who i know she loves dearly, might not like to admit it some days)all this while trying to navigate the mine field that is grumpy mc downings mood swings.
so as you can see being a close friend is not quite as easy as once thought, seven years ago when i met sharon i didn't sign up to all this,i was just after a baby friend who made nice cups of tea! but as a friend who thinks the world of them both and their gorgeous children i am more than happy to be with them every step of the way and do anything and everything i can to make their lives run a little smoother, no i dont always understand why chris is down, or why sharon is snapping at him, or what they are both feeling each day, but as thier friend they know that no matter what chairi or life throws at them one thing is certain i will be here stood side by side with them ready to fight and give them my all to get through.
i hope this shows that there are people out there who understand, and if even if we dont get it right every time, we are more than willing to keep trying until we do!
take care
vicki x
Thank you Vicki...For making me realise even though i may feel alone sometimes, i'm actually not.
For letting me know that maybe my 'friends' aren't as close as i thought.
Or maybe they are struggling too?
For letting me realise that its not just me that this thing affects. I know my husband puts up with a LOT and i know he does a lot for me.
For letting me realise that Chiari affects everyone.
But most of all Thanks for making my eyes leak....!
XX
Will you please stop making my eyes leak ;)
It certainly can be at times, even though there are friends out there who do care greatly, but have a hard time either expressing it or that they too have their own problems right now and need to concentrate on their own?
Reading the replies here and to those that would rather not post them, I am beginning to understand those that I have misunderstood. its a really hard subject and one that until you totally pour out your own feelings, and your friends do exactly the same, you will never get to the bottom of.
I really hope that you get things sorted soon. But remember, friends don't just have to be those that you have met in person ;)
Hi Chris
For me the hardest thing has been to stand back and let Natalie get on with it.
I have learnt over the last 21 months NOT to ask how she is feeling but to pick up on her vibes (and this I think is where it is different for parents - she is a teenager with all the "normal" teenage angst and hormones and it has been difficult to separate the moods from her worries about her condition, because although she does not often talk about her diagnoses on the occasions that she has it is obvious that it has taken her some courage to come out and talk and that she has thought long and hard about her changed life)
Natalie has learnt that unless she tells me about unusual aches, pains and sensations, I WILL ask her how she is feeling because I know when she is worried as she gets MORE moody than usual.
It is very easy as some-one who does not have CM/SM to assume the worst - that EVERYTHING can be attributable to them, when in reality you are just having a bad day like we all do. We just no longer know what your "normal" is any more just like you don't.
One of the things I HAVE found is that I have to make more time for her sisters (17 & 25) because they have also had to adjust and the 17 year old particularly gets angry about what she sees as the extra attention Natalie gets but then worries just as much about what Natalie's future holds.
I feel we are ALL in a no win situation. Eggshells spring to mind and until we all adjust to the changes that have been forced upon us there will be some sore feet.
I agree the post does give food for thought - we all get wrapped up in our own feelings and some-times we need the reality check.
No-one truly knows what another is feeling and sometimes we jump to conclusions, and for us it is a case of do we or don't we ask. I tend to go with (and this is not just Natalie)letting the person know I am there for them but I will not constantly ask how they are feeling - I am not that kind of person - I am not demonstrative but the people who are around me know that I will be there for them through thick and thin all they have to do is ask but then that can also be wrong in some circumstances as not everyone can ask.
AM
I really think that you have a great approach right there. To let someone know that you are there for them, no matter what and whenever they need you is probably the best approach. Very different with our own kids I know.....I haven't reached that stage yet with my own.
Again AM you are an inspiration.
Thank you.